[MUSIC PLAYING] Hey, everybody. Welcome again to a different episode of Life Time Talks. I’m Jamie Martin.
And I’m David Freeman.
And we’re actually excited at this time for our dialog with Ben Johns. He’s an American skilled pickleball participant, ranked primary on the earth for doubles, combined doubles, and singles, by the Professional Pickleball Affiliation, in addition to by the World Pickleball Rankings and World Pickleball Rankings. He first began taking part in pickleball again in 2016 on the age of 17 and he quickly after began competing. He’s since gained now greater than 50 gold medals up to now in his skilled profession, 11 of that are triple crowns. Ben, thanks a lot for being right here with us.
Thanks guys for having me. Wanting ahead to it.
Yeah, Ben. So we’re tremendous excited to have you ever on our LT Talks and likewise, to be featured on our upcoming problem of Expertise Life. So thanks once more a lot for approaching. How are you doing at this time?
I’ve by no means been higher. Really at this time is launch day for me for switching main sponsors. So it’s been a really busy morning and we’re simply going full steam forward I assume proper on to this.
I adore it. I adore it. So Jamie gave us a bit little bit of the background. So let’s set that stage proper now. Take us again to your teenage years once you found pickleball. When and the place did you uncover the game, and what about it appealed to you.
Yeah, I found it close to Naples, Florida, Southwest Florida. And I used to be a tennis and desk tennis participant. And the tennis courts I educated out with my brother on the time had been proper subsequent to pickleball courts that had been not too long ago constructed. And I walked by a few occasions, I noticed it performed. It regarded like enjoyable however I didn’t even know what it was or I didn’t know sufficient about it to be like oh, I wish to go play that.
However I noticed it sufficient occasions the place ultimately I used to be similar to, I’ll give this sport a strive. Why not? It looks like I can have enjoyable with it a few occasions. Play with some associates possibly. And so I went out the primary time and I used to be like, this sport is de facto enjoyable. Like simply instantly. It was tremendous fascinating to me that it was like a mix of tennis and desk tennis, proper in between the 2, my two main background sports activities.
And what attracted the game to me initially was that mixture between the 2 I’m accustomed to. And in addition simply the brand new technique. Like I’m at all times very all in favour of figuring a brand new sport or sport out. And it was very clear, very early that I used to be good by way of eye hand coordination and motion from tennis and all that, however I didn’t know what to do. I had no thought what I used to be doing on the courtroom.
So figuring that out was an prompt attraction to me. And it simply appeared like the entire group and everybody I performed with was so welcoming and so they had been all so enjoyable and good. It’s only a very partaking world as anybody who performs quickly finds out.
Completely. So inform us a bit bit about that transition from when this turned a only for enjoyable for you sport, once you determined to actually pursue it, and ultimately to go professional with it.
Yeah, no, there’s positively a pair key moments. It’s additionally fairly gradual although. It seeped into my life and, one second I used to be like, it’s a enjoyable sport. After which someway a few years later I’m similar to gosh, I don’t even assume I’m going to make use of my diploma. So it was very fascinating the way it simply acquired into my life. Similar to most individuals they assume they’re simply doing a interest after which instantly it’s their full on habit.
However for me, my first match ever I simply occurred to reside very near the primary US Open ever in 2016, it was like half an hour away. In order that was my first match. Individuals had been like oh, you’re fairly good. You must play. It’ll be a historic expertise for everyone going, so I used to be like I’ll play, positive why not. I didn’t understand how good I used to be so I used to be similar to, I’m going to join professional. Let me play professional only for the enjoyable of it.
And if I lose actually badly that’s fantastic, I’ll nonetheless be capable of say I did it. And I ended up getting fifth in that, so I used to be like I assume I’m fairly good at this sport. And it made me wish to hold taking part in. However as a result of I went again to Maryland later that yr away from Florida the place there’s not numerous pickleball, I didn’t get to play so much. I performed two extra tournaments that entire yr. And it was nonetheless enjoyable to me. Didn’t actually care that a lot, it was only a interest.
After which coming again in 2017, again to Florida once more, I used to be taking part in like daily. I actually needed to do nicely and I loved it so much, however nonetheless wasn’t considering of it significantly as like an expert sport or something like that. However ended up being that I got here again one yr later and I gained the 2017 US Open. In order that was one of many key moments the place I used to be similar to, I assume I’m fairly good at this sport and possibly I ought to hold taking part in as a result of it’s numerous enjoyable.
And I did it for the remainder of the yr. After which that fall I went to the College of Maryland as a freshman however I knew I needed to maintain taking part in concurrently. And I’d say the opposite key second for me that turned it into hey, this may very well be a profession for me quite than simply on the facet simultaneous factor, is once I signed with Franklin Sports activities in 2019. They had been the primary model to get into pickleball and sponsoring athletes that wasn’t a pickleball model. They had been an exterior model, they had been in MLD, NHL.
So that they needed to sponsor me, and on the time that was revolutionary for the game and for me. So I used to be similar to, if that is occurring who is aware of what’ll occur within the subsequent couple of years. And this may very well be a really viable skilled profession. And it appeared like numerous enjoyable to me nonetheless, so I used to be like, why not?
Find it irresistible. Breaking down partitions, proper? I like that. So we take a minute to really speak in regards to the sport of pickleball itself. It’s one of many quickest rising sports activities in America. And the adoption price is wild. So numerous occasions individuals may put it in a field of claiming there’s a sure age group that this caters to, however because it has such a excessive adoption price, are you able to inform us, who’s pickleball for?
Yeah, no, completely. That’s an ideal query actually. And that’s that the actual attraction to it’s not that it’s a sport for outdated individuals, it simply occurred that I used to be in a microcosm that very a lot loved it. The actually cool factor about it that I discover that’s the reason it applies to all individuals as nicely is as a result of it’s a sport for completely anyone and all people. I’ve seen five-year-olds play and revel in it, I’ve seen 90-year-olds play and revel in it. Guys, ladies, it’s a reasonably even distribution there. Socioeconomic standing, tradition.
It simply doesn’t matter. I’ve seen all people and anyone play with one another. And as quickly as you get on that courtroom you’re one and the identical. You’re introduced collectively by the game you want taking part in. That’s additionally why I feel it’s a giant factor with celebrities. Like you’ve got Leonardo DiCaprio taking part in, he’s acquired a courtroom at his home. So many different celebrities that I simply really feel prefer it’s so engaging since you won’t be capable of duke it out on the tv set or directing or producing, however once you get on the pickleball courtroom it’s like oh, it’s sport time. We wish to compete on this.
So it may be aggressive, it may be enjoyable, and it may be for completely anyone. And I really feel like that’s why I’ve met extra distinctive and fascinating individuals in pickleball than I’ve in another facet of my life. There’s simply so many distinctive individuals, as a result of anyone performs it. So in the event you ever assume that sport’s not for you, I imply I encourage to vary. I feel in the event you don’t like sports activities, pickleball could be only one you’ll.
Nicely, that’s one thing we hold listening to. And simply in full disclosure clearly, we’re with Lifetime, that is the Lifetime Talks podcast that’s a spotlight for our group proper now. And we hold listening to that simply the people who find themselves getting concerned within the progress of it inside our group. So I do know Ben, you’ve performed up right here in Lakeville, Minnesota the place I’m at, and competed in tournaments. I imply the explosion of tournaments and seeing who’s doing this. I imply, I’m simply amazed each time I see images on our stream about who’s all on the market. It actually is for everybody.
It’s wild. Not solely is it for everyone, however most individuals that play, it’s like an habit. They get fanatical about it and so they don’t wish to cease taking part in. And that’s simply so superior to see. As a result of it’s just like the healthiest habit I’ve ever seen. Persons are getting train, they’re having fun with one thing, they do it with different individuals. There’s simply nothing dangerous about it. I imply it may even be therapeutic. The variety of those who have had accidents in different sports activities and get to play pickleball as like a revamping their physique, after which they by no means go away it it’s simply loopy. It’s simply good for actually each state of affairs I’ve ever seen.
That’s superior. OK. So we wish to speak a bit bit too about, you’ve got in six years because you picked it up for enjoyable and now you’ve grown into being the primary participant, you’ve acquired these triple crowns, you’re a primary participant in these numerous totally different divisions, what makes you a very good pickleball participant. Like why is that this the game for you.
Yeah. I’d say I imply it’s positively a mixture of issues. The primary I’d should credit score is certainly the background sports activities. So presently virtually all the highest rating gamers are former tennis gamers, often D1 or higher, some former skilled ATP, WTA, that sort of factor. And I wasn’t that degree, my brother was, he was an ATP participant. However I used to be a reasonably good tennis participant however I used to be additionally a reasonably good desk tennis participant. So I really feel like that mixture actually gives numerous issues as a result of anyone can see wanting on the courtroom that there’s similarities to each.
So having each background sports activities actually helps. However I’d say the extra key factor, greater than anything most likely, is that pickleball is what I name an unsolved sport. Like everybody’s nonetheless very a lot determining what are the great issues to do. Like how do you play the game at its optimum? And no person’s actually figured that out. It’s presently creating simply yr to yr. You see totally different methods gamers choosing up various things and we’re all studying from one another.
And one of many issues I’ve at all times mentioned primarily based on not simply pickleball however in any space actually, is simply experiment and study issues primarily based on making an attempt new issues. So I assume I hold including new issues and getting higher principally due to that.
Yeah you mentioned one thing earlier that’s an oxymoron so far as wholesome addictions so I’m at all times curious, being a excessive efficiency athlete, we do dedicate numerous our time and power to what it’s that we’re captivated with inside our craft. So I’ve to ask the query and I’m guaranteeing our viewers and our listeners wish to know this reply, how do you discover the steadiness to have the ability to loosen up and unwind and likewise find time for different issues which might be necessary in life too.
Yeah, that’s an fascinating query. I really feel prefer it’s one I’m nonetheless engaged on. I can’t discover a excellent steadiness but, possibly I by no means will. However it’s actually all in what makes you cheerful. I get happiness out of striving for one thing, doing the most effective I can out of it. And I feel to be the most effective at one thing like this it’s not 100% work exhausting on a regular basis. I operate at full 100% capability and efficiency if I do dedicate a while to different issues.
And for me that’s not essentially similar to rest, however I’ve a pair companies that I run. And to be like doing stuff like that may even be simply altering my thoughts from one mindset to the opposite is stress-free. Doing a exercise though it looks like work and possibly it’s for pickleball, that may be stress-free to me. Like individuals have hobbies that aren’t particularly for rest or happiness however someway they do make you cheerful anyway simply because they’re totally different.
So for me I’d say selection is massive and as soon as once more, experimenting with totally different routines and various kinds of time administration and that sort of factor helps me to determine what makes me completely satisfied and nonetheless is ready to get me to carry out at my high and finest.
So that you’ve talked about this now, you’ve got these two companies that you simply’re targeted on, you’re additionally ending your diploma in engineering, and I had seen the replace at this time about your new sponsorships and all of this and your plans going ahead. So like with all these issues in thoughts ending up your diploma, these different companies, inform us a bit bit about these endeavors and what’s subsequent for you with these.
Certain, yeah. So getting my diploma has at all times been crucial to me. I do know at this level that once I graduate I’m not going to be utilizing it immediately. However truthfully even earlier than pickleball I by no means thought I used to be going to be a 9:00 to five:00 particular person. I at all times needed to run my very own enterprise and apply the issues I realized personally quite than for someone else. In order that’s not stunning to me that I’m doing this now, it’s simply humorous that pickleball performed such a big function in it.
So, yeah, I’ll get my Supplies Engineering diploma and I hope to make use of that down the street, however possibly it’s with paddles, possibly it’s with one thing else. However I’m positive I’ll apply it someway. Wanting ahead to graduating, it’s been a protracted street. After which different firms, principally these they’re doing nicely and I actually like operating them. I don’t know in the event that they’ll turn into like a main enterprise for me or something, however they’re actually enjoyable to run concurrently with the skilled pickleball profession. However the skilled facet, the efficiency and staying at tip high efficiency form goes to be my main focus any more mainly till that adjustments.
Ben, once I hear you speak it simply clearly stands out. Ben Johns is a person with a plan.
It goes again to love early influences. And I’m curious, we’re curious so far as just like the function fashions and the teachings that you simply study from these people and the way that affect has carried over to who you might be at this time. So are you able to share a bit bit about that background of Ben Johns the person that you’re at this time and proceed to evolve to turn into. What set the inspiration for you?
Yeah. Clearly I assume it’s a cliche, lots of people say it however you must credit score dad and mom first. My dad and mom are each wonderful individuals. They gave me so many alternatives in each manner. They’ve inspired me by college, by pickleball, by any sports activities, by no sports activities. No matter I needed to do they’ve at all times been there and like hey, no matter you need, no matter you want, we’re right here for you.
And I feel they’re to credit score for independence and desirous to be good at something actually. I’m positively the place I’m at this time due to them. And positively my older brother. He was my largest function mannequin by way of working exhausting and being good at one thing. He’s six years older so I noticed him grind at skilled tennis and he cherished it a lot, did such a great job simply working exhausting at it. He can be my superb function mannequin as a sportsman.
And now I’m simply fortunate I get to be on the identical facet of the courtroom with him. So we by no means had a possibility to play tennis collectively as a result of six years older that’s an excessive amount of once you’re youthful. However at pickleball now that we’re each 22, 28 or 23, 29 now, we get to be on the identical facet of the courtroom and that’s simply I couldn’t ask for a extra lucky sport. I’m simply fortunate to have discovered it.
So I’m simply going to pause right here for a second as a result of I wish to speak about once you’ve devoted a lot of your time to this athletic pursuit clearly with balancing with different issues, have there ever been occasions once you felt prefer it wasn’t price it or like this isn’t fairly the precise factor for me. Or is it simply once you discovered it. What’s that been for you? Have there been any mindset shifts you needed to make.
Sure and no. I don’t assume there’s ever been a time the place I’ve been like that is an excessive amount of I don’t need this or something like that, nothing that excessive. However there’s at all times some moments of a bit little bit of doubt like possibly I’m doing an excessive amount of, I really feel overloaded proper now whether or not that’s stress from numerous issues or no matter. Like what we had been speaking about earlier than, how do you steadiness your life, how do you be sure to’re nonetheless completely satisfied.
You’re at all times questioning that like is that this what’s making me happiest. What ought to I be doing with my life mainly. And there have positively been occasions the place particularly like are you doing this proper? Possibly it is best to reduce on this or this or add this and all that. However that’s so far as the questioning goes. Actually in pickleball I’ve at all times been assured as a result of it’s simply such a cool surroundings. Simply the assembly individuals alone like I really feel like if I wasn’t within the place I’m being on the high of the game, I’d nonetheless love the game and wish to play simply as nicely.
Ben, I adore it. I’m getting excited, I’m getting an power simply listening to you speak. So after we speak about now let’s go to the subsequent degree so far as identification. It looks like you’ve got a transparent understanding so far as who you might be. After which after we tie that into goal, like a powerful sense of goal of what it’s that you need to be doing and also you’re executing on that. So after we communicate of goal and what it’s that you simply’re doing in life, inform me once you hear the phrase goal what involves thoughts for you.
Goal, I’d say positively, goal to me could be very particular. It’s acquired to be relevant to very particular issues. So my goal in pickleball goes to be very totally different from what I feel my goal is exterior of pickleball. So for me in pickleball, for example, I imply I’d like to be on the high, like I feel it’s my accountability to myself and to pickleball to be pretty much as good as I presumably can for so long as I can.
I feel there’s nothing extra priceless than that, to advance the game by way of followers, different gamers, getting youthful gamers into it. That’s how I’ve at all times checked out athletes usually. Anytime I discover an athlete inspiring it was typically as a result of they had been the most effective or they labored tougher than anyone or they’d an inspiring story, one thing like that. So I don’t assume I can do something. My goal in pickleball is to be the most effective that I can and work exhausting daily to be that for everyone else. And that’s what everybody expects, that’s what they wish to see, in order that’s what I’m going to do. That might be my goal inside pickleball at the very least.
Let’s hold tagging on a few of these like greater philosophical sort questions right here.
I adore it. [LAUGHS]
Yeah. So what provides you perspective. In different phrases, like what are the values or core beliefs that floor you within the each day. As a result of it’s most likely fairly simple with all you’ve got happening to get like I’ve acquired this and that. However what brings you again to love who you might be and just like the true you, the genuine you.
Yeah, no. You’re very proper about that. While you get so busy with stuff and so wrapped up in a world it’s really easy to overlook about different stuff. Like I’ll go a pair days at a time the place I’m solely invested in a few issues and I’m simply that every so often take a step again and take a deep breath and say, wow, it’s essential to do that extra typically. That is good for you. You’ll be able to’t be so wrapped up in every thing you’re doing.
And I really feel like that occurs to lots of people in life the place it’s not even about being high in sports activities or something like that, it simply occurs to all people. And I’d say it’s most likely related for everyone that once you step again, I feel it’s at all times, to me, it’s most necessary to only be pleased about the stuff you do have, that’s what provides me probably the most perspective. I’m very lucky in what I’m doing now. And I’m lucky exterior of this sport for thus many causes.
So fascinated with these issues. Household, circumstances, associates, no matter it’s that you simply’re grateful for. That’s what provides me perspective. It’s like even when I didn’t have no matter I’ve, there’s an entire lot extra that I’ve to be pleased about.
One phrase, three phrases, well being and wellness. What does it imply to you?
Well being and wellness. Good. Well being and wellness to me I’d say it’s way of life. It comes all the way down to way of life. Individuals can do it any variety of alternative ways. To me it comes again to the game, coaching, efficiency, restoration, not being injured, all these issues. However to different individuals it would simply imply doing an exercise as soon as a day. It’s going to the gymnasium, it’s taking part in pickleball. It’s no matter.
It may very well be psychological well being and wellness. In the event you’re completely satisfied or not. It might probably imply so many alternative issues to so many alternative individuals. To me it comes all the way down to that every particular person particular person’s perception in are you wholesome, are you cheerful, or are you doing stuff daily that will get you in that state.
Superior. So one factor I wish to throw on the market for you and I don’t have this on the listing of questions that we at all times prep forward of time, is–
You’re certainly one of our youthful cowl fashions who’s going to be, I known as you a canopy mannequin. Cowl topic, cowl function,
Nonetheless you wish to take it.
Cowl mannequin let’s go.
Sure, you’re prepared.
I’m a mannequin, simply what I at all times needed.
Your cowl shot right here. One factor, once you look out whether or not it’s 5, 10, 15 years, what do you hope for the game of pickleball and likewise only for your self usually. Since you’re certainly one of our youthful individuals. Like oftentimes we’re doing extra reflection however I wish to look ahead right here.
Yeah, no, that’s a unbelievable query. Glad you requested that one. So for pickleball, it’s so exhausting to foretell. As a result of simply in like three years it’s come such a good distance. I’m excited for no matter it has to carry and I really feel like all prediction I make might be going to be fallacious. However how I see it in my utopia for pickleball is that it’s going to be a sport that everyone has heard of on the earth. That just about all people desires to play for no matter purpose.
As a result of like again to what I used to be saying earlier than, greater than another sport possibly all people watches the NFL or all people watches soccer et cetera, however not all people performs. And pickleball doesn’t must be a spectator sport for everyone however I feel it has the potential greater than another sport I’ve ever seen to be a sport that nearly everybody can play and revel in. As a result of it simply turns transverses no matter it’s you do, no matter it’s you’re into. You’re all going to have enjoyable, you’re all going to take pleasure in taking part in it, and that makes it additionally a really social sport.
So it’s simply one thing everybody can relate to. So I may see it in 10, 15 years being the game to play it doesn’t matter what you do. That’s the place I’d prefer to see it. And I feel simply that precept alone spreads by any variety of issues that anybody else is like, that is the way forward for pickleball. It’s like nicely if everybody performs it, the longer term, it may very well be something. So that might be the massive factor for pickleball for me.
For myself, 10 to fifteen years, I don’t actually take into consideration the longer term that a lot. I simply really feel like once you’re on a great path and simply doing good things daily that makes you cheerful and all that stuff, then you definitely’re most likely going to be simply fantastic and simply completely satisfied in 10 to fifteen years as nicely. So I’m not going to make any predictions. I simply hope I’m nonetheless having fun with daily like I’m now and doubtless performing some new and totally different stuff, I actually love selection. So I don’t anticipate to be doing the very same factor as I’m today. I’d anticipate to be doing any variety of various things. So once more, actually exhausting to foretell. Possibly as unpredictable as pickleball however I’m wanting ahead to something that it holds.
David, another questions past your two minute drill that’s developing right here. The rest for Ben?
Nothing involves thoughts Large Ben, I don’t know if in case you have anything earlier than I put you on this pickle.
I do know, I’m in a pickle. I’ve a query for you, David. I imply how a lot pickleball have you ever performed? Have you ever been on the courtroom? I wish to know a bit bit about you guys.
I’ve. I’ve. I’ve really performed, I wish to say I’ve performed as much as at the very least 10 video games now. I acquired uncovered to it once I really got here as much as Minnesota. Coach Lowell Lindsay Ogden known as me out one night and I realized all in regards to the kitchen, I realized all about the way to serve, and all these various things. And I completely–
Did you keep out of kitchen?
I stayed out, I used to be within the kitchen so much at first.
All proper, let me say that. I wasn’t cooking, I may inform you that a lot. However I’ll inform you that I completely fell in love with it, palms down. And ever since then, introduced my youngsters out since we acquired again to Texas, my spouse, associates, of us, from Alpha that I’ve coached. So I completely adore it. I can see how addicting it may be, and the way enjoyable it may be, and simply getting out and shifting. I like that piece of it, simply being within the well being and health trade. So sure, I’ve performed it. I’m an enormous fan. And I additionally performed ping pong too so in the event you ever wish to get on some desk tennis with me,
Yeah, I’m proper there with you.
You guys should go.
I acquired the spin going, child.
I adore it.
It makes me completely satisfied right here and right here in first place or is I often ask about that as a result of it’s often both cute or humorous or one thing as a result of everybody often falls in love with it. They’re similar to I misplaced to this 80-year-old girl and I simply —
It went to my head for the subsequent week and I had to return. I believed it was simply too embarrassing to ever return, however I needed to, I needed to. And from then on Ethel turned my nemesis till I may beat her.
Oh, that’s so humorous.
I acquired first query. We’re entering into the new pickle seat at this time, y’all.
First query. Pet peeve, Large Ben, what you bought?
I acquired to go along with noise air pollution. I actually don’t prefer it once you’ve acquired a quiet peaceable day after which someone’s revving their muffler at 100%. It irks me. So I’m going to go along with that.
Noise air pollution. OK. OK.
I’m with you.
I prefer it. I prefer it. Right here we go. Favourite train motion to do.
That’s acquired to be squats, no query. I really feel prefer it. By no means skip leg day, all people says it. Day by day is like that. It makes each different train manner higher since you simply get the blood dashing and it’s wonderful. I like massive muscular legs.
Sure. It’s all within the legs. It’s all within the legs. Now I acquired to go reverse right here. Least favourite train motion.
Oh, that is the worst. However it’s cardio. I don’t like operating. Working shouldn’t be for me. And that’s humorous as a result of I do know its legs and I play pickleball and also you do numerous operating. However I’d quite do like swimming for cardio than operating. Working simply, oh. I can’t do it.
OK. All proper, right here we go. Right here we go. What’s your weak spot relating to meals. So the meals that you simply simply can’t resist.
Oh [LAUGHS] I’m a giant foodie so there’s numerous meals I can’t resist. However I’m going to should go along with like most likely tacos of any sort. [LAUGHS] I’m in Austin so breakfast tacos, avenue tacos, meals truck tacos, it doesn’t matter. I’m going to eat all of them.
I adore it. I adore it. OK. This final one, we get deep on the final one right here, all proper. What legacy does Large Ben wish to go away this world with?
Oh, gosh. You gave me two minutes for whole and never simply this one.
Legacy for me. Nicely. I really feel like my largest legacy is figure exhausting, be completely satisfied, and doubtless be grateful. In the event you’re completely satisfied and also you’re grateful for what you’ve got and I feel that’s one thing anybody can do and anybody ought to most likely do and that’s what I attempt to do.
I adore it. We champion the happiness. Let’s take it again to grade college, in the event you’re completely satisfied and you realize it, clap your palms.
Let’s go. I’m into that.
Sure. Superior stuff.
Oh, yeah. Nicely Ben, thanks a lot for approaching. We wish to make certain our listeners and viewers know the place they will discover you. So that you’re on Instagram, TikTok, the place else can they discover you and what’s your deal with.
Yeah. So it must be Ben Johns_PB for nearly every thing I feel Twitter, TikTok, Instagram, on Fb too if anyone nonetheless makes use of that platform. However yeah, primarily Instagram and TikTok today.
Find it irresistible. All proper. Nicely, thanks a lot for approaching. We are able to’t wait to see your cowl story. And we’ll get this on the market for you. So thanks.
Completely. Thanks guys a lot.